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PHP Abstract Podcast Episode 19: Glue Frameworks vs. Full Stack Frameworks

September 13, 2007

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Episode 19: Glue Frameworks vs. Full Stack Frameworks

Special Guest: Chris Hartjes
Release Date: 09/06/2007
License: Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0

Today’s special guest is Chris Hartjes. Chris has been building PHP applications since 1998. Currently employed as a Senior Developer for the Cake Development Corporation, Chris has been labeled as an “agent provocateur” within the PHP community. He contributes to open source projects (specifically CakePHP), gives lectures on programming-related topics and tries to share what he’s learned via his blog.

Today Chris is going to talk to us today about Glue Frameworks vs. Full Stack frameworks.

Show Notes for Episode 19

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About Cal Evans

Many moons ago, at the tender age of 14, Cal touched his first computer. (We're using the term "computer" loosely here, it was a TRS-80 Model 1) Since then his life has never been the same. He graduated from TRS-80s to Commodores and eventually to IBM PC's. For the past 10 years Cal has worked with PHP and MySQL on Linux OSX, and when necessary, Windows. He has built on a variety of projects ranging in size from simple web pages to multi-million dollar web applications. When not banging his head on his monitor, attempting a blood sacrifice to get a particular piece of code working, he enjoys building and managing development teams using his widely imitated but never patented management style of "management by wandering around". Cal is currently based in Nashville, TN and is gainfully unemployed as the Chief Marketing Officer of Blue Parabola, LLC. Cal is happily married to wife 1.28, the lovely and talented Kathy. Together they have 2 kids who were both bright enough not to pursue a career in IT. Cal blogs at http://blog.calevans.com and is the founder and host of Day Camp 4 Developers

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3 Responses to “PHP Abstract Podcast Episode 19: Glue Frameworks vs. Full Stack Frameworks”

  1. jpetit Says:
    September 14, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    You seemed to imply that Code Igniter was a glue type framework. I would argue that, by your definition, CI is more full stack like Cake. And while Symfony has lots of bells and whistles, it is glue as it incorporates lots of other third party projects and components.

  2. chartjes Says:
    September 21, 2007 at 7:10 pm

    Well, a good friend of mine who uses CI told me I was bang on with my definition: you don’t have to use ALL of CI in order to use it, and it lets you glue together existing stuff really well. By full-stack I mean you cannot grab individual portions of the framework and use them in isolation. As far as I can tell, you can take bits and pieces of CI and Zend Framework, but the same cannot be said of Symfony and CakePHP.

  3. macmonkey Says:
    October 10, 2007 at 11:29 am

    I like PHP Abstract as much as the next guy but particularly thought that this episode was good, concise and well formed.

    Thanks